Psychedelic's like LSD25 were hoped to be useful tools to help interrogate people to see what a suspected spy knew or were supposed to find out. This was not what psychedelics' were useful in doing. And there were casualties caused by this stupidity. Including a Dr. Frank Olsen - one of their own who was dosed by his own co-worker and, under mysterious conditions, took a dive out of a 12th floor window at a NYC hotel room. Forensic evidence showed he didn't fall. He was thrown out / through the closed window after he made 'noises' about not liking the crap they were doing. This was sometime around 1958.

All the use they got from LSD25 was in finding another Lysergic Acid derivative that rendered a person immune to the effects of LSD25 - BOL148 - taken later on.

Yours' Truly - a chemist with a background of the chemistry of chemical-warfare agents and their antidotes.

 

It's odd that a lot of people who dropped acid supposedly fell out of windows. It was a similar event that led to LSD being banned in the UK I think.

 

Well once it was shown that Frank Olsen had somehow gone through a closed window after being dosed without his knowledge on LSD several days prior to his diving through a closed window (glass was scattered on the sidewalk around the body), the excuse he was high on acid recently - the story was popularized that people on LSD commonly fly out windows. Thereby establishing 'plausible-deniability' to his being killed by another CIA-agent.

 

Had swann come back with a sighting of Neptune's great white spot that would have been pretty convincing. Of course the pioneers didn't photograph Neptune it was left to one of the voyagers(2 I think?). As an aside I always find the trajectory of pioneer 10 strange. Pioneer 11,voyager 1 and 2 and New horizons left the solar system in roughly the same direction however pioneer 10 went the opposite way.I think it's heading towards Aldebaran (roughly). It's said that Ron l.Hubbard, no known relation!,got a lot of his stuff from Sylvan Muldoon's books on astral projection. I read them as a youth and they're a bit dated now.it's possible our mind constructs an internal world in relation to external stimuli this is to give us the edge so we don't delay whilst we analyse the sabre tooth tiger that is going to kill us.so what we see is based on probability.......? Well that's one theory about the mystery of consciousness. I believe that the files on mk ultra where destroyed by accident (!)so we might never know what they where up to?the film Jacobs ladder might have been based on mk ultra possibly conspiracy theory too?

 

There are sabre tooth tigers? Where? lol

 

Ah in the olden days before humans invented guns!one of those beasts is said to have specialised in snacking on homids.the second lost as the brain analysis the threat could mean doom for our palaeolithic forebearers so this brain is said to construct like likely result of such an encounter before hand,giving a valuable second to save oneself. Of course perhaps the tigers brain is giving it a seconds head start too?big cats make you freeze I once encountered a lion in south Africa,but it didn't see me,and luckily my dog had the wisdom not to bark attracting the beast.I had a gun one me but just a .25 automatic which is not going to stop a lion!the lion it turned out had escaped from a lion park and was later shot by the police.

 

I'm all up for shooting cats!

 

Oh great, Kevan! Now you've sent Mak off to join the police-department!

 

There's a cat shooting department? CID: Cat Interrogation Department?

 

I wonder what effect a .25 acp round would have on a lion?probably wouldn't do it much good ,slightly better than nothing I'd say.interestingly the cats are divided in two large and small cats.small cats don't roar but can be quite big like pumas or cheetahs big cats do roar and are always big like lions, tigers and leopards. I'm going to speculate that sabre tooth tigers where actually small cats and related to pumas rather than tigers?pictures of them attacking mammoths are probably nonsense, a sure way for the cat to get killed. Although prides of lions can kill elephants the can only do it as a team effort. Tigers work only as individuals thus would never take on a smaller Indian elephant. African elephants are even bigger and can have a vile temper. Which answers the question why you can ride an Indian elephant but not an African one!

 

I reserve the right to arm Bears. And Cats! Mak knows quite well that I LOVE Cats - and all wildlife for that matter. That's the only reason he's doing this crud. Personally I'm sick of it.

 

Seriously, I have the right to stop cats using my garden as a toilet. It's not their property and they are illegally trespassing.

 

But a cat does not know it's trespassing? When in Australia a few years ago I was intrigued by a sign on the border of the Sydney harbour national park (beautiful view of 47 tucanae from there, Sydney is close but it's all Pacific to the east), it went 'cats and dogs must not roam freely in the national park.'now dogs are generally in the company of humans and therefore under some control but cats?they do their own thing, and they can't read the by laws of the New south Wales national park board!

 

Where I used to live, Cats were legally 'feral' and you really couldn't 'own' one (As if you could! They are willing to 'share' with you in a tribal-fashion and be your partner). Where I live now - if you kill another Human, you'll be out of jail in 15 years. But if you harm an innocent Cat or Dog or Cow - you'll be gone for good and long!

We love our animals and birds! Or as my people say - the four-legs and wings.

 

They know they're crapping though. lol

 

Then build them a little sandbox. Cats are very clean people. They'd figure out what it's for right away. Then just change the sand when it crosses your mind. You'll make a bunch of new friends in the process!

 

They only crap on the front lawn now. There's a turf war going on between Beavis and Butthead and a new ginger cat. So Beavis keeps crapping on my front lawn to re-mark 'his' territory. I stared him out the other day, after years of tai chi meditational breathing techniques I have a basilisk like stare. He tried his best and failed. He knows the score with me, but the ginger cat is a bigger threat to him than I am in his mind. The crapping is his way of sending the ginger cat a message. They both need a good slap.

 

I'd suggest that, rather then a slap, they both need a good moderator to explain they'll have to learn to share. And both use a sandbox you should construct. And put a collar on both - with notes attached requesting their "owners" chip in some ££'s to defray costs for a sandbox - and wait for a response.

I call this "Sending a Cat-O-Gram" and have used them. They work!

 

We're talking about cats Dave. Eventually one of them will chase the other off.

 

Not necessarily true. I've had Cats from different houses that learned to co-exist and simply get along together. When they knew they weren't on their own territory. This when I found out they had relatives living with them now - who brought HUGE Hunting-Dogs with them! So the Cat spends as little time at home as they can.