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Re-creating The Clark 1916 Tripod

Discussion in 'Vintage Telescopes & Equipment' started by Turk, Sep 1, 2015.

Re-creating The Clark 1916 Tripod

Started by Turk on Sep 1, 2015 at 2:31 PM

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  1. Turk

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    I wanted to start a thread on a project that I'm pursuing. The Clark Tripod. I recently purchased a gorgeous 5" Alvan Clark telescope with #6 mount. It has a bit of history, but the most glaring thing about it was that it never had a tripod. It was supported by a pier. Two actually as the family took it from Chicago their home, to Lake placid where they had a summer home. They had a steel pier installed at both locations to make it easier to move the telescope. I do not have the piers.

    The telescope is in the Artist in Optics book and is in wonderful condition. It sat under a stairwell in a basement for over 77 years of it's life. The telescope was sold to the Barnhart family in 1916.

    I acquired it recently and have decided to build a tripod for it.

    Here are some pictures of the scope:

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    The challenge is not the legs but the top plate of the tripod. It is made of sand cast iron. I needed to find one to get measurements and to then enter it's dimensions as a 3d model so it could be made on a CNC machine.

    My friend Dan had the plate and was cheerfully able to supply me with dimensions. Click on a thumbnail for a larger picture.

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    The dimensions went into a 3D cad program and generated a 3d model of the plate. Here is a video of what that produced.

     
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    My brother is the owner of TXS Design an industrial design firm in Dallas texas. He also happens to own a company that has 4 computerized CNC machines. He converted the 3d model into code for the CNC machine and produced a plastic model. The plastic model then was sent to me to see if it fit the mount properly. It did


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    With the success we had with the plastic model, it was time to produce the model in aluminum. Two aluminum blocks were purchased and we ran off two pieces. Each took 6.5 hours to run with two changes in the CNC chuck.

    They came out quite nice and both were painted to match the mount.

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    So success you say? Well, the models are perfect. Too perfect. And they do not weigh anything like the real thing that was produced in iron. If you go back and look at the original part that Dan measured for me, you will see lots of rough line. Those were made by the wood block that was used to make the impression in the sand. As the blocks got used more and more, the blocks got rougher and rougher. I recently had a chance to view another plat and it is not as rough. But it still had the "wood grain" images in the steel.

    So where do we go from here. To a foundry.
     
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    ART Research foundry just happens to be owned by my brother business partner's Mom. They are known for their work with sculptures and in fact, took part in the "Alice in wonderland" statue in Central park NY. I contacted them and I am currently working with Tracy, and estimator for them.

    http://www.thinksculpture.com/index.asp

    My objective is to produce 9 or 10 copies of the plate. Many collectors around the country are very interested in this process and in the final product. More than half of all Clark are missing their tripods. Many collectors have their telescopes sitting on a shelf in their living room or study. I hope to change that. Not for profit, but because I can offer those collectors something that they could never realize.

    So why not use the CNC copies? They do look very good even if they are too perfect. They are just not cost effective. One run on the CNC machine would cost between $650-850 and that would not include the $1500 setup charge. I know many a collector that would probably pay that, but why not have something closer to the real thing offered at a more reasonable price. Sand casting can produce a plate for much less. How much less remains to be seen. Keep in touch.

    If I can work out the details (and the cost) I will take you on a trip to the foundry to follow the process. We will be using stainless steel for the plate. It was explained to me that the "cast iron" process is dirty and causes way too much smoke. The EPA has pretty much shut down the foundries using this process unless they install expensive smoke scrubbing equipment.

    Stay tuned, I will keep you informed

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    Such a beautiful refractor and fantastic project -- I'm staying tuned!
     
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    Wonderful piece of history that you have there Tom. It could not be in more capable hands.

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    OMG...that is so beautiful!! Congratulations on this find!!!
     
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    This is the tripod I am trying to re-create. I was lucky to find a friend who had one. This is from 1919 (close enough) and will do quite well for my model.

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    The leg restraints are very simple on this Clark. Belts!

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    Beautiful! Turk, just for show can ya post that pic of you sitting under the tripod of one your scopes inside your house? Do you know the one I'm referring to? Maybe even in another thread.
     
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    Wow... I smile every time I see that. Thanks!
     
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    Tom,
    Wonderful work bro, man talk about connections. I though I was luck because I know Bob Burns! Well I guess I am. But design consultants and foundry owners in your family, Now that's handy. I have had my hands building tripods before.. Still working on it.
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    By the way I was over at Dan's Yesterday and his house is like a Telescope Museum, with Clark's, Zeiss and Brashear's from the 1860s on... O my, your 5" is stunning. I feel a distinctive need to peer through it.
     
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    I just finished a phone call with Tracey at ART Research foundry and we discussed the process and some of the costs involved. It looks like the part will cost a little less than 1/2 the CNC price. That price will go down if I make more. I will be contacting a few collectors to see if they will help by purchasing a plate off me. As I said earlier, maybe I could also offer the entire tripod (include legs and hardware).

    I will be sending the CNC part to them today for them to look at. I will be traveling to that area of the country (Lancaster, PA) on the 17th and I will meet with Tracy and the owner to discuss the project further. That said, I don't know what the setup cost is nor the cost to machine the top ring. These things also will enter into the cost of the project. I just hope it works out and I have enough collectors of Clark willing to invest in the project. I will be going out to California for the Vintage Telescope Society convention in San Jose. Maybe I will be able to convince a few to participate.
     
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    Tom,
    Wonderful thread! And what a telescope! Too bad Bob Ariail isn't with us anymore to finish his third addition of "Artist in Optics," which could have reflected that you're the new owner of this particular Clark.

    I suggest that the repro. part be marked, engraved or inscribed "reproduction" for the sake of intellectual honesty, so that future owners will know that it's not the original Clark part. Same for the tripod.

    LewC
     
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    Beautiful scope, and a meaningful project.

    You MUST get a beret like Alvan wore ! :)
     
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