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Does anyone recognise this TMB lookalike?

Discussion in 'Eyepieces, Barlows, and Filters' started by Mak the Night, Jun 3, 2017.

Does anyone recognise this TMB lookalike?

Started by Mak the Night on Jun 3, 2017 at 7:43 AM

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  1. Mak the Night

    Mak the Night Well-Known Member

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    SW 4.5  (1).jpg

    I’ve just acquired this 4.5mm ‘TMB Planetary II’ eyepiece, it’s supposed to be a ‘Lacerta’ but it’s pot luck what this particular retailer sends when you order these. I recently ordered a 4mm Lacerta from the same retailer and ended up with a 4mm TS Optics Planetary HR.

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    I’m guessing Barsta, but it may not be. It cost about the same as the Barsta made Sky-Watcher UWA’s that are often sold as Olivon.

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    It has a flared drawtube, which was a bit of a disappointment for me as it limits what I can put it into. It seems fairly decent in a brief daylight test and no different to the Sky-Watcher UWA’s as far as I can tell.

    SW 4.5  (4).jpg

    The build quality is decent although I don’t think it is quite up to the BST/TS Optics Planetary series standard. Although the TSO’s are usually twice the price. The style of box packaging and the 'Plossl' claim is reminiscent of the similar Sky-Watcher/Barsta eyepieces.
     
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    Hey Mak -

    I stumbled over this Pdf. yesterday and thought of you. You might enjoy the history outlined in it:

    Comparison Test of TVPlossl vs Brandon.pdf

    I liked it and tossed it in my file on EP's.

    'ta,

    Dave
     

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    Cheers Dave.

    BCNU

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    Oh yeah, after having a conversation with Gabby on another site, I've discovered that flared drawtubes can safely be used in compression rings if the set screws aren't over tightened and the EP just fits 'snugly'. Which is cool.
     
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    Greetings Comrade Mak -

    That's great news for you regards using the newly popularized compression-rings with these flared tubes! That must be quite a load off your mind. And thank you for the Prisoner's Penny-Farthing bicycle. Otherwise known as 'The Ordinary' over here. As a bike-mechanic, I love these older-model bicycles! I always have an eye out for these in particular. I've never riden one, and would need to review a 'How-To' manual. I'd want a handy bale of hay to act as my brake! :D

    I really like my Antares Twist-Lock Adapter 2" to 1.25" adapter. Perfect for using just an easy hold on an EP - without over-tightening. And much less $£ than the ubiquitous Baader offering. And now Orion (USA) has also jumped on the 'band-wagon' with their own - for much more £$ than the Antares. Oh yes - the Antares has excellent threads for a 2" filter. Nothing more annoying to a Filter-Nut (like you've become! :p) than botched threadings.

    So I do believe the compression-ring is here to stay and it's use will grow. I hope the price on these drops as the usage expands.

    Catch you later -

    Dave


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    I think riding a penny farthing bike would be hard work and a bit scary Comrade Dave.

    Being able to use flared drawtubes in the Baader helical is a bit of a revelation. I've already tried the 4.5mm Barsta and the 3.2mm StarGuider. Worked great.
     
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    Agent 99 Mak -

    I've heard and read the Penny Farthings were actually easy to get going - and very fast with good cornering if you learn to lean to facilitate turning. The odd length of the wheelbase made this necessary. Of course - crashes would help you learn this rather quickly!

    Glad you're experiments with the flared-barrels are showing success! I hope you write this all up and submit an article to Sky at Night - or whatever your local Astronomy-Magazine is over there! And ours as well.

    My shoe is ringing again,

    Dave
     
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    Agent Dave,

    I’ve been trying to get smart on comets and apparently carbon is the fourth most abundant element in the universe (funny, as I thought that would more likely be rain clouds lol). My book for getting all learned up about comets claims that a comet gaseous tail usually has strong C2 emissions near 511 and 514nm. It also says that the Lumicon SWAN transmits light between 495 and 516nm. Elsewhere I read that comet filters are a narrow bandpass system (25nm) which isolates the 501nm OIII line and both Cyanogen lines at 511nm and 514nm. Which could explain the colour of the Astronomik UHC-E. Oddly, the UHC-E threads perfectly into the 4.5mm TMB lookalike.

    cyan blue.jpg

    The Baader Blue Bandpass transmits at 470nm, I can’t get any exact figures on the Wratten 80A but my handy Celestron Filter Guide states that an 80A ‘Bring out the best definition in comet gas tails’ (sic).

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    I seriously have to talk to my brain ...

     
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    Yes - the SWAN is specific in passing the cyanogen-bands, aong others. Here's a few transmissions:


    Lumicon Comet Filter - SWAN Filter.jpg

    And where this one crawled in from - I haven't a clue:


    swanband.gif

    So it will work also as a pseudo-OIII filter. I'm glad that Lumicon didn't crash & burn. Then there'd be no current production of the SWAN-Filter. And something tells me that comets are going to increase in popularity in the 'Observers' Favorites.'

    I love to explain to people that Cyanogen (where we get the name 'Cyan' from as a color. And it was discovered to be a derivative of cyanogen that creates this color) - is a deadly poison in it's pure form to life that has need for oxygen and uses blood to transport the oxygen throughout the body. The cyanogen pushes the oxygen out of the blood and suffocates the life-form.

    While being a deadly poison - cyanogen - brought by comets - seeded the early Earth with the carbon and nitrogen required to create the molecules that bring forth life.

    It is also where we get the name 'Cyanide' from. And why I coined the expression: Cosmic Cyanide to describe the make-up of many comets.

    Pouring rail here all day. Wish I had a canoe....

    Dave
     
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    In my experience Lumicon threads are as weird as Astronomik ones.

    johnson 7 6 17.jpg

    Got to see Johnson again tonight with the 90mm Mak (that's three different scopes I've seen it with now lol).

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    This time the 32mm Celestron gave 39x (2.3mm exit pupil). So, if the optimal magnification for comets is 10 ~ 20x per inch of aperture, that makes 35x ~ 70x a decent range for a 90mm scope. Hard work using the UHC-E with a bright Moon but I saw the comet.

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    How does a coracle grab you?
     
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    ...........................
    "How does a coracle grab you?"

    With it's tentacles & suction-cups?

    I know the EP I want to hunt Comet Johnson down with in my ST80: My 40mm Plössl HighLight I got in 2003. This would give me 10X to start with. Then I'll up the ante to around 50X, depending on conditions. I may also use the 40mm Plössl and drop it into my 5X GSO Barlow and see what that does for me.

    And, of course, I'll add my SWAN and see what this whispers to me!

    'Ta,

    Dave



    Orion 1.25inch 40mm Plossl circa. 2001.JPG



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    'I may also use the 40mm Plössl and drop it into my 5X GSO Barlow and see what that does for me.'

    You'll get a two metre eye relief? :confused: lol
     
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    We shall see! :p

    If I do, then know I have another telescope I can fall-back to! I'll look and see how my newer mini-scope does in seeing the 40mm in the scope.

    Soon to bouncing my view off the Moon. Then MARS!

    Dave-En-Stein
     
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    I have a couple of 40mm Plossls and a 35mm Baader Eudiascopic. I might try them in a Barlow one day (or night). I'd expect serious vignetting though.

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    Although, I'm pretty sure my 9mm Expanse does something similar as it has a built in drawtube negative lens TMB clone style.

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    I like the 9mm Expanse, but eye placement can be hard work. The last thing I want is to make extra work for myself lol.

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    I've been reading several people recommending Wratten #38 Blue filters for comet tails, the Baader Darkblue 435nm Bandpass is the equivalent. Have you any experience using a #38 for comet viewing Dave? I've scanned the linked PDF with Panda and SUPERAntiSpyware ...

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    ... and all these, I think it's OK. ;)
     

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    Knut! :D

    Re: #38 Dark Blue - I've never even seen one. Leave alone tried such on anythings' tail.....

    But it looks interesting. For now I'll settle for some warm(er) nights and no more rain. But more is on it's way - so sayeth the Doppler-Radar.

    Ah! I now remember what I've forgotten to do - fish another person out of the Dark Lords' Manner whom has been corrosponding with me on 12" Meade LX90 v. Celestron 11.25" SCT. I've explained the mechanical idiocy of Meade - though their UHTC & ACF are incredible - and what he'd likely wish to do about same. And he's feeling brave enough with tools to conquer them.

    So we may have another face/name in our midsts if he's brave enough to check us out over here in the Untied Snakes. Anytime I mention another forum that's in the US - people cringe: Visions of RowdyFights and the need for a Whip & Chair! :p

    Back to watching a new horror-movie: The Rise of the Trailer-Trash!

    Dave
     
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    Wow Dave, and I thought you were Filter Bloke lol!

    Kometen.jpg


    Definitely Verbessert den Kontrast an Mond, Planeten und Kometen!

    http://www.teleskop-express.de/shop...ics-1-25--Colour-Filter---Dark-Blue--38A.html

    On their German site it claims they can be used with apertures as low as 70mm (Verwendbar ab 70 mm Öffnung). Although GSO claim only 17% transmission. Unfortunately I've had to order one now just to compare it with the Baader lol.

    I'm not sure what trailer trash is, although it alliterates nicely.
     
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    Now you've got me curious about the #38-Filter! Curses! Foiled again!

    That Pdf. on filters is interesting. It rather resembles the one Agena has for their collection of color-filters. But are you absolutely certain it doesn't have a virus? Or even a case of hayfever? The sniffles?

    Regards trailer-trash - also known as 'white-trash' - here's a stereotyped-example. High times down at the Average-American Trailer-Park:


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    It should be captioned - "Stay in School Kids! Or You'll Never Afford the Good Life Like Bubba!"

    Well it was about 80°F. here today. And still nice & warm this evening. And as soon as the Sun set? CLOUDS! SOLID! :eek: :D See what happens when you mention filters? Of course I share some of the blame. I just updated the comet-file in CdC!

    Alex of Stellarium-fame just yesterday added an extended data-base on DSO's - more that 1,000,000 entries. I downloaded the updated file - and CRASH!! It froze-up solid like a cloud. :p So I rolled it back to the 15.2 - thankfully all was well again - my settings were undisturbed.

    Off to report this phenomena to Alex and his co-conspirators! See ya 'round the Trailer-Park.

    'Ta,

    Dave


    ps - I needed the name of 'Teleskop Service' to look up some things. Thanks for providing it! :cool:
     
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    I'm curious about these claims with blue filters. I understand the claims for the UHC-E by Astronomik. I've even read up on the Scottish bloke who gave his name to the Swan band.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan_band

    What I find confusing is if the Swan band is around 511 and 514nm, how come the Baader Blue Bandpass which transmits at 470nm is good for comets? Plus, The Lumicon SWAN transmits light between 495 and 516nm and 470nm is below 495nm.



    Didn't Jim Rockford live in a trailer (or mobile home as we say here)?
     
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    I never watch TV-shows like that. I'd need a psychiatrist if I ever find myself doing so.

    Regards the disparity of the SWAN v. #38? Curious, isn't it? It does say, in the literature, that the SWAN is good for certain tails of comets - so not ALL comets. The #38 says it works on bright & large comet-tails. It is known that not all comets are putting out lots of cyanogen in their tails. So that would explain why 'certain' tails respond to SWAN-filters. With the #38, it sounds like it's working on showing the contrast of where there is, and is not, a tail that's bright enough.

    I'd think if the comet wasn't bright - the #38 might well make it disappear altogether. So as you have decent weather - I'll leave it up to you to see what the #38 will do. I'd be satisfied just to see Comet Johnson myself. This weather has got to give.....someday.....

    Did you have thrilling and fun-filled 'Election-Day?' :D :eek: :D

    Dave
     

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