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In the age of computers do books still have value?

Discussion in 'General Astronomy Chat' started by aeajr, Mar 20, 2016.

In the age of computers do books still have value?

Started by aeajr on Mar 20, 2016 at 8:53 AM

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  1. aeajr

    aeajr Well-Known Member

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    In the age of computers and the internet, do books, charts, magazines and periodicals still have a place?

    I am not steeped in the history and traditions of astronomy and the books of the past. I make a lot of use of the computer, the internet and the smartphone. However I have managed to accumulate a few books and periodicals. I think my library is now full as I have not fully explored these valuable resource, but each seems to fulfill a purpose in my resource library.

    I am curious what printed material you find useful, or have you gone totally computerized and digital?

    Here is what I have:

    Turn Left at Orion – I give this my higherst rating as a book for the new astronomer. I have spent a lot of time with this one and go back to it often. I got this while I was still limted to binoculars. It’s one of the rare sources of truly useful information that shows me a close approximation of what I can actually expect to see in my binoculars/finder scope, a small telescope and a larger telescope. Each target is rated by suitability for binoculars, small scope and large scope. For this reason alone it will remain a favorite. So much good practical information about equipment and good advice on what to go after by season. http://www.telescope.com/catalog/se...chForm&siteCode=US&keyword=Turn+left+at+orion


    Sky and Telescope Magazine – Very interesting and topical. Only certain articles are of interest now but I am confident I will go back over some of these issues as I transition from newbie to a deeper observer. http://subscriptions.skyandtelescope.com/Sky-and-Telescope/Magazine


    Orion Moon Map 260 – Mostly a wall decoration right now but I will eventually dig into this as I will no doubt take one or more lunar cycles and dig deeply into the moon. This will help. I like that here is a correct view and a reversed view. I also like that it has the US and other landing and crash sites marked as reference. This adds to the interest for these locations.
    http://www.telescope.com/Orion-MoonMap-260/p/102819.uts?keyword=moon


    Orion DeepMap 600 – Mostly a wall decoration right now but I do consult this one from time to time as I learn the sky at my desk. It has the RA and Dec along the axis. I am still struggeling with this coordinate system and this chart is helping me try to visualize and internalize the meaning of the coordinates. It is taking time to appreciate what this chart has to offer. http://www.telescope.com/catalog/search.cmd?form_state=searchForm&siteCode=US&keyword=deepmap


    The Nature Companions - Practical Sky Watching – Given to me by a friend – Lots of good content but I have barely scratched the surface.
    http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Skywatching-Nature-Companion-Series/dp/1876778911


    Interstellarium Deep Sky Atlas – Desk Edition – Just received this one. So far it looks terrific. I can see me spending hours with this on a table next to the telescope. It reminds me of a Hagstroms book roadmap, for those who remember these extremely useful highway navigational large format map books, before GPSs. Maps are numbered and related to the celestial dome. And there are some detail sections that go to more detailed maps. For example, the map that includes Orion has a box showing that there is a detail section for part of that region, just like Hagstron would have detailed city maps along with the highway maps.

    It has another interesting feature in that it codes things by color density according to how visible an object should be in a 4”, 8” or 12” telescope. This looks to be a great feature for the amateur astronomer, helping us to identify really achievable targets. In one respect this seems to be a different take of what TLAO does by showing me what an object looks like in a finder/binocular, a small telescope and a larger telescope. Interstellarium shows me what I am likely to be able to see. As I have an 8” scope but am in a highly light polluted area, I will probably initially focus on the items they feel are viewable in a 4” scope.
    http://deepskyatlas.com/
    http://www.amazon.com/interstellarum-Deep-Sky-Atlas-Edition/dp/1107503388


    So, this is what I have in terms of printed books, charts and magazines. I have not abandoned print yet.

    How about you? What do you have, what are your favorites and why?
     
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  2. bladekeeper

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    I too use my PC and my iPad/iPhone quite a bit for astronomy, mainly for Stellarium use in the field, logging, and compiling my observing data.

    But, nothing like a good old paper atlas. I too have and employ Interstellarum, as well as the S&T Pocket Sky Atlas.

    Also, with Interstellarum, the color density feature for what may be visible in a specific size scope is great, but, just don't let that fool your into categorizing objects by what can be seen or not. You never know what more challenging things are available to you unless you actually try for them. The more you try to see, the more you begin to see. :)

    Anyway, I'm a mix. I still love and enjoy books, and I like my electronics too. :)
     
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    For me its a mix of both. I adore using Stellarium and Skytools, and Virtual Moon Atlas is handy to have around when doing lunar observing, where dark adaptation isn't such a big deal.

    Some books (especially those with pretty pictures) still work better in book format. And I'm currently really enjoying going through Annals of the Deep Sky. Because we're such a small hobby, many books aren't even available on Amazon - Willman Bell has a bunch of interesting books. Finally, its much easier to scribble notes and add post its to a physical book then its digital counterpart.

    I also have a lot of astronomy books on my Kindle, not sure if that counts, but it DOES make for a pretty light and handy thing to log around. Fortunately many, if not all of the Patrick Moore series are on the Kindle.
     
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    Most of my non-observing astronomy time is spent on forums like this, as well as in Facebook groups, which are more engineered to allow people to post all their amazing astrophotos. But yes, of course books still have their place.

    On my bookshelves I have a backlog of general interest astronomy/science books from the great Patrick Moore, not to mention Timothy Ferris and Bob Berman, that I am slowly making my way through. Although the magazines, Sky and Telescope and Astronomy, certainly had their place back in the day, I find that nowadays the "news" in them is literally at least a month old. I don't find them quite as useful, unless you can get a really good deal on a subscription. I enjoy them mainly for the ads and the announcement of new products more than for their actual content, so I would say I find little value in the magazines nowadays.

    And yes, I also have found that programs like Stellarium and websites like Tonight's Sky have largely replaced any need for printed, bound atlases - at least star atlases, anyway. Even so, I much prefer my Cambridge Photographic Moon Atlas to the Virtual Moon Atlas on the web. With the book format, it's just much easier and faster to just flip to the exact page you want (organized by phase of the moon) rather than futz around with the program.

    My three volumes of Burnham's are always handy, next to my easy chair for a quick read. And I can't wait to pick up the first three volumes of what is being hailed as the 21st Century's update to Burnham's, the Annals of the Deep Sky, at NEAF in a couple of weeks. My understanding is that these are terrific and are a worthy successor.
     
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    I still like printed media, it can be browsed and referred to much more easily and never runs out of power...

    I have a good number of star atlases from the old faithful Norton's through to Uranometria. Plus I have a number of books publish at the end of the 1800's and the beginning of the 1900's.
     
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    I personally tend to enjoy using a book as oppose to using my computer or tablet, but I generally don't read books other than technical manuals and purchasing a hard copy something that in many cases will be out of date the next year just isn't appealing.

    When it comes to subjects that are quite a bit less volatile I usually try to purchase a hard copy for reference or general use. I think astronomy is one such subject that I wouldn't be opposed to purchasing books.
     
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    I use a book atlas outside, it will last 20 years easily and the price was 50$ with paper, a few pencils and a small red light. Considering the fact I can stay 45 minutes looking at 3 degrees of sky, it's doing a fine job.

    The paper makes no noise, interference or light also, it's fun to turn the pages and they have a great smell.

    For me a book is a good, simple friend outside :)
     
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    I've owned some of Sir Patrick Moore's books since I was at school (including the famous Observer's Book of Astronomy). I think I know it by heart lol.

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    This Moon atlas by Antonin Rukl is still quite useful, I've owned it for twenty years and still refer to it. Although, in the main, I find VMA more useful. I read a lot of ePubs, does that count? lol
     
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    If you are a visual observer, looking at computer star atlases can hurt your night vision. Reading paper versions with a dim red light is less damaging to your vision. For imagers and video observers, which is my preference, we are less worried about dark adaptation. I still however prefer paper star atlases. My favorites are the Pocket Sky Atlas and the Sky Atlas 2000 Deluxe. The latter is a beautiful book. I like my Burnham's Celestial Handbook but the new series Annals of the Deep Sky is great and I use them a lot.
     
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    Mak the Night great book cover, I would like to turn the pages and look inside. :)

    Sky Atlas 2000 Deluxe that one looks rare also, they sell it a few hundreds at Amazon.com and close to a grand at Amazon.ca. I guess you are lucky to own a copy Luling_Skies. I have the Wil Tirion Cambridge Double Star Atlas, it's a gem for me.
     
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    I use both printed and computer media extensively...but I love books. That includes a number of atlases: S&T Pocket Sky Atlas (the large format version is the bomb!), Sky Atlas 2000.0 (2nd edition), Uranometria 2000.0 Deep Sky Atlas, Interstellarum Deep Sky Atlas, and Cambridge Star Atlas. I also like the specialist atlases like the Cambridge Atlas of Herschel Objects and also their Double Star Atlas, the S&T Double Stars for Small Telescopes (really more of a planning guide than an atlas), and the 21st Century Atlas of the Moon, and probably a bunch more that don't immediately come to mind.
    That said, I do make extensive use of computer programs as well: Starry Night Pro Plus and Pro 6 Astrophoto, Cartes du Ciel, Sky Safari 5 Pro, Satellite Safari, TheSky HD, Jupiter Atlas, Virtual Moon Atlas, MoonMap Pro, MoonGlobe HD, and Mars Globe...all are useful.
    But I still love books, and I enjoy sitting with atlases spread in front of me on desk or table to plan my hunts...and also to enjoy their beauty and the way they fire my imagination in a way that software rarely does.

    Clear Skies,
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    Every form of media has its place. I use a laptop to gather video/still images, a small tablet with Stellarium to learn the skies and various astronomy magazines for cloudy night entertainment and education. Like em' all, us them all.
     

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