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Bresser 60° Plossl range?

Discussion in 'Eyepieces, Barlows, and Filters' started by Mak the Night, Jan 21, 2017.

Bresser 60° Plossl range?

Started by Mak the Night on Jan 21, 2017 at 7:02 AM

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  1. Zigarro

    Zigarro Well-Known Member

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    Hey thanks- I'll look.
     
  2. Mak the Night

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    I'm trying to find one of those this side of the pond, I can pretty easily get the WO version here. It's a tad pricey though!
     
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    Agena has the 8 X 50mm RACI Finder-Scope made by GSO. I have two of these and highly recommend them. With their excellent optics and their Nylon-bolts, they are easy to adjust at-the-scope without causing the image to jump-about. A very important attribute in my thinking.

    Mak - I believe the TS-place (I forget it's name) in Germany has the GSO 10:1 Crayford - with their brand on it of course.

    Dave
     
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    I have a few RACI finders, they are really useful. Telrads are huge, over 20 centimetres, I got one for my 102mm Mak before I realised it was a bit on the big side for it. It does have the dew shield with the 90° flip mirror.

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    I eventually bought a Rigel for the Skymax. The Telrad will be good on my Newtonian when I get around to mounting it lol. My 130mm Newtonian only just about copes with an EQ2 mount. It might be worth getting an EQ 3/2 for your Orion.
     
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    OK cheers Dave. I think this is something like it: http://www.teleskop-express.de/shop...Refractor-focuser---e-g--for-86mm-flange.html

    I'll have to email Wolfie and ask him about it. I think he translates German directly to English as syntactically it's a bit like having a conversation with Yoda lol.
     
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    Ya - das ist gut. That's exactly what I have on my ST80 - only mine says 'ScopeStuff' on it. Flange-size checks out. 10:1 checks out. You're good to go!

    Now you can tell WO (and Moonlite, etal) to 'Kiss your a-lovely evening out tonight...'

    Dave :D
     
  8. Mak the Night

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    Wunderbar!
     
  9. Dave In Vermont

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    I'll tell you, Mak - I'll be highly amused once you have it and try it. Then price the Moonlite. You'll note then that the price of the Moonlite is between 3X and 4X the cost of the 'branded' GSO. You'll discover you could buy a barge-load of the Vixen EP's you like for the difference! :D :eek: :D

    Try as you like - from then on, whenever you see something flashy in anodyzed-aluminum, the sight will cause you to laugh-out-loud! :p

    The focus-action on the GSO's really couldn't be any finer IMHO. I actually bought the 'Bling-Factor' big 'wheelies' from ScopeStuff.com - which was wholly uncecessary:

    http://www.scopestuff.com/ss_frc2.htm

    Big 'Wheelie:'

    http://www.scopestuff.com/ss_focf_L.jpg

    I have these on both of my refractors, the Maksutov 150mm, and my 12" LX90. And a lone Single-Speed for my 1.25" Focuser on my 200mm F/4 Rich-Field Newt. If that's not an endorsement for these critters - I don't know what could be.

    I think you may actually like this,

    Dave
     
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    moon.png

    I got first light with the 14mm Bresser 60° ‘Plossl’ on the Moon for around 30 minutes until cloud spoiled all the fun. The conditions were surprisingly crisp in between the clouds and there were brisk moments of above average clarity. I used a 90mm Orion StarMax on an alt-az mount.

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    Observation was from 17:30 - 18:00 GMT, Waxing Crescent, 28.8% illumination, 26.1° azimuth, altitude 35.4°, 375,126 kilometres distant (Pisces). Some very nice terminator detail could be seen.

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    The Bresser was in use most of the time but I briefly managed to directly compare it with a 19mm TeleVue Panoptic, a 15mm Vixen NPL and a 12.4mm Meade Plossl. The Bresser showed a bright, sharp image and I couldn’t really discern any difference in quality with the other eyepieces. The rubber eyecup is pleasant to use and not intrusive or irritating in any way, I’m not usually a great fan of them, but this was very much like on most Meade Plossls. I have a feeling Meade and Bresser both source from JOC and GSO. On the StarMax the 14mm Bresser gave me 89.2x with 1°, 29‘,17“ TFOV for almost exactly (1.0086) a 1mm exit pupil.

    Although the test was brief, the Bresser 14mm looks like a keeper and I’m seriously looking at the 5.5mm version.

    Images: VMA & SN7
     
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    Yeah, GSO make some quality gear. WO can often be rather overpriced. I am still going to look for a UK distributor first though as it's usually cheaper to return stuff.
     
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    I just ordered a GSO 32mm and it should be here early next week. I was thinking of a high power such as those Sky Watcher 58's in your collection but as this was my first EP purchase, I figured I would be better served by a wide field that I can use as a finder.
    BTW, I set the 90 up this afternoon and all went very well but for aligning the finder. In order to put my target in the cross-hairs, I had to back the two nylon screws nearly out of their holes! I've glued a strip of felt on the inside of the bracket opposite the tension screw hoping to shim the scope to a more centered position so the adjustment screws can actually adjust!
     
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    A 32mm EP should be good for low power starfield sweeping. It's always good to have something around the 30x magnification mark. You can even see the rings of Saturn at 30x.

    I don't know if there is a problem with your finder or not. Sometimes you have to experiment turning the adjustment screws virtually at the same time. By that, I mean you have to figure out a comfortable zero position of the finder in the mounting bracket and slowly collimate it with a target centred in the actual telescope eyepiece itself. It's best to use a low power EP for this. Turn each adjustment screw a tiny bit, one after the other. Don't turn just one screw and try to adjust solely with one of them first. Experiment with both X and Y axes to judge the range of play in the finder in its bracket.

    They can be finicky at best, at worst, total borkers lol. Due to my disability I normally have to use an RACI for anything higher than the plane of the ecliptic. A cheap plastic reflex finder might be a good back-up as well.

    EQ 2 small weight (1).jpg

    You can see an Orion 9x50 RACI mounted on this ST80 (above) pointed at the zenith.

    6x30raci.jpg

    Above, a 6x30 Orion RACI and below, an Orion reflex sight. The X and Y axis adjusters can be seen (red arrow). This sight was purchased to replace the Sky-Watcher reflex sight that was included with my 102mm Skymax. It was borked when it arrived so I just bought a new one rather than send the whole thing back.

    EZ II Orion XY.jpg
     
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    Yessir, that's why I plan to swap this 6x30 for an 8x50-raci when I can. I can't report yet on the felt mod but when I can get her out in daylight again, we'll see how that worked for me.
     
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    Manual finders are often problematical. Although, once collimated they can be taken out of the shoe on take-down and should stay collimated to the scope when stored separately until placed back in its shoe in use. It took me a while to figure out why Orion call their reflex finders 'EZ'. In British/Commonwealth English the letter 'z' as usually pronounced as 'zed'. In US English it is 'zee'. So it's a play on the word 'easy' lol. Reflex finders are pretty easy to use up to about 30° for me. I once read that once you've used an RACI you won't be able to understand how you ever got by without one. I agree. When I use my Newtonian again I plan to use a combination of reflex sight and RACI.

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    I have several of these plastic reflex sights as they are the most common type supplied with scopes. I've even got one that's never actually been used.

    MightyMak2.jpg

    I think it came with this Omegon 90mm f/11.3 Mak.

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    I even have an Astrozap dew sleeve for my 9x50 RACI's. Where I live these are necessary in the autumn or very early in the mornings in late summer. Although the Moon's often easy to find with a dewed-up finder lol.

    TS RDAC2fx.JPG

    I'm fairly certain this TS Optics metal reflex sight is GSO. I have a couple of these, they're OK but the reticle/graticule light is often a bit bright for faint objects. They seemed a good idea when I bought them. They're basically a standard NATO military gun sight.

    band1.jpg

    I don't know where Orion source their RACI's from but the reticule is normally an 'x' rather than a '+' type. This can be rectified by just turning the eyepiece part on the Amici diagonal on its thread. Using a small rubber band as an improvised washer works well.

    Celestron RACI.jpg

    This is the only Celestron RACI I have. I'm pretty sure it's Synta made.
     
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    The Orion 9 X 50mm RACI is a bit of an oddball. I had a Dickens' of a time moving the crosshair-reticle to where I prefer it. Which serves to give another + to the GSO 8 X 50mm RACI's.

    I can fully understand why people who started out with RDF's - tend to continue use them. And visa-versa optical-finders like the RACI. But using both is likely the best path. In my case - an optical-finder was the first for me, and my first experience with an RDF was a total disaster......!:

    It came mounted on my Orion-branded GSO 200mm F/4 Rich-Field Newtonian. I had no say in the matter. Mistake #1. It was glued onto the paint-job (which had been excellent until they got out their permanent-glue). Mistake #2. The bloody thing didn't align properly. Mistake #3. It swallowed-up hard-to-find & very expensive batteries! Mistake #4. I never could remove it, it's track-marks, or it's mechanical-base which made sure it wouldn't align ever! Mistake #5.

    Me and RDF's? Could you blame me if I draw my pistol and open fire at the sight of one? Well - I won't do that. But I'll happily stay (for now) with my 8 X 50mm RACI finders.

    Those GSO 8 X 50mm are my favorites! And they're also the least expensive! Now THAT'S rare!


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    Have Too Much Fun!

    Dave
     
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    "E-Zed"? Too funny! :D
     
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    Yeah, but do you use a reflex sight on the pistol? lol
     
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    No - I use a green-laser!

    Evil-Dave
     
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    Like this?

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