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Observing with Small Apertures: 130mm and Below

Discussion in 'Telescopes and Mounts' started by Ray of Light, Jul 26, 2016.

Observing with Small Apertures: 130mm and Below

Started by Ray of Light on Jul 26, 2016 at 5:34 AM

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  1. Mak the Night

    Mak the Night Well-Known Member

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    I think this is the website:

    http://www.starrynight.com/orion/

    If you're running Windows and you don't have the Adobe reader the installer will install it. I have Sumatra as my default PDF reader but they downloaded it anyway. On Windows they also download other astronomical software. It's all good as they're all connected. During the process of installation it tells you what its doing like any installer. After downloading the installer just run it as Admin on Windows. It will then install the program.

    The wheel nut is one of the great mysteries of astronomy lol. It's probably for a piggy back finder or camera. I don't think anyone actually knows. It ranks with the mystery of the 1.25" cap in Synta Newtonian aperture covers.
     
  2. Ray of Light

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    Lol! I stuck my 8x50 finder on the ST80 and looks good if not a little large for that scope. May give the 6x30 a try and get the WO helical diagonal first.
     
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    Yeah, mine looks weird with the 9x50mm Orion RACI. It's better for DSO's with the ST80 though. I can get away with a reflex site with the Apex. I'll probably only be looking at the Moon with it lol.

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    I'm pretty convinced this Orion SpaceProbe is exactly the same as my 130M (the Bazooka).
     
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    Speaking of software, this is what Starry Nights adds to a PC (Win 7). Everything with a red dot after installed with the software.

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    Thanks for the info Mak. I'm thinking that since l will try to use the ST mainly for DSO's I will most likely Need both the 8x50 finder and the WO diagonal. I can probably order one now (they are about the same price on Agena), I'm not sure which should come first. The ST looks like a very well made little scope and I'm happy I bought it.
     
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    Congratulations, Ray! It's an ST80! Have a cigar.....:p

    Not sure what exactly is intended for mounting on that wheel-nut thingy. Mine have the same mounting-rings and room for the 'wheelie' - but no 'wheelie.' So I guess it's for whatever will fit. A camera comes to mind. I think it's a 24/1-tpi? That's what a camera takes.

    Enjoy your ST80, Ray! I'm certain you will!

    Season's Greetings -

    Dave
     
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    Oops, I meant Father Christmas brought it to me!
     
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    I find the focuser on the ST80 a little unsubtle. It isn't that bad but for high magnifications it could be improved. I doubt you'll need a magnification of above 50x for most Messier Objects, so very fine focusing wouldn't be a priority I should think. So, if you have to choose to buy the finder or the focuser first, I'd go for the finder.

    The other problem with diagonals that have compression rings is that it more or less precludes their use with anything with an undercut or a taper. Which is a bit of a bugbear. TeleVue EP's are OK as they have lower lip tapers which work well. A lot of Vixen EP's have shallow wide undercuts which also work well and aren't difficult to extract. But the vast majority of aluminium undercuts can be troublesome, particularly for me. Although you could get around this by using a Barlow without a compression ring.

    The beautiful thing about the ST80 is that wide exit pupils are no real problem. On the f/13.88 Apex I barely get 2.8mm with a 40mm Plossl. I can get 3.6mm for 25x with the reducer and a 25mm EP. With the ST80 my 19mm Panoptic will give me a 3.8mm exit pupil.

    I just can't wait for the weather to improve and give the ST80 and the Apex some quality time on my Vixen mount lol.
     
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    Didn't he bring the wrong model? I told you he hits the port lol. Mind you, maybe he's smarter than we realise as he probably bought the better version. You need to ask him for a Vixen mount for it for next Xmas. :D

    It actually is Boxing Day here now!
     
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    Happy Boxing Day Mak! And yes I think this is the better version! This one cost $30 more than the 80-T. Yes, there is a Santa Claus! I like the way it looks too!
    Question for you both: where on the GSO Crayford pictured would one mount a finder? I don't see a Synta mounting dovetail (if that's what it's called). It would also require a two inch extension tube. This would be a future upgrade for my 102.
    Since I will be using the ST for the moon and DSO's both, it probably will be my first light for it, so I will be getting the WO helical focuser first I think. Almost forgot about the moon! I hope you guys had a great day and I appreciate the advice as always!
     
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    Good question. I'm not sure how you'd fit the Crayford to the ST80. I've found this short video, it doesn't help that much though.

     
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    I have the GSO shown above. Bought it from Agena as well.

    The install on this is straight-forward: Take out the screws that hold the focuser and visual-back on the ST80. Wriggle it out. Wriggle the GSO into the OTA, line-up the holes for the screws. Screw it in place. Observe!

    That's all, Folks!

    ThatsAllFolks-Freleng-LtdEdCel.jpg

    Dave

    P.S. A small dab of SuperLube with Teflon® helps with keeping the mechanism easy to turn to aid in aligning the 3-screws to attach the Crayford on the OTA.
     
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    I'm not sure Ray. I doubt I could do it myself with my disability. I think some of the Crayford is in the internal of the OTA when fitted so the original finder can be used.
     
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    Yeah, not sure either. It looks like the whole kit and kaboodle comes off with to old focuser, lol!
     
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    I can guarantee that if I take anything to pieces, it stays that way lol. Even if I get it back together there's usually parts left over and I have no idea what they're for. I ruined a perfectly good refractor like that many years ago.
     
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    Saw a setting Venus and Mars again with the Apex at 65.7x and 156.25x (19mm Panoptic, 8mm TS Planetary).

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    Venus was at a good 20° even past transit. It took a while for Mars to be visible and was higher at 27.1°. The double star Sigma Aquarii was right under Mars and easy to view.

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    Just to clarify, the GSO 10:1 Dual-Focus Crayford's come with very simple mounting-hardware for finder-scopes. Attaches by turning a knob/screw - couldn't be easier. Complete with different mounting-shoes.

    Here's the GSO 8 X 50mm RACI on the GSO:

    ST80 Outfitted For Use As SolarTelescope80 h.JPG

    No worries,

    Dave
     
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    Thanks Dave, that's clarified a lot. I'm a bit tempted by a GSO Crayford now lol.
     
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